Thorne Family Genealogy

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Sarah Ann Parker

Birth - BMD Index

Births: Jun 1845, Sarah Ann Parker, The Newark Union, Mother's name Walton, 15 557 

NOTE: Bassingham is in Newark registration district.

(Obtained from revised GRO Indexes 2016)

Birth - IGI Baptism

  Date: 25th March 1845, 
 Place: Bassingham Lincoln.
Father: James Parker. 
Mother: Douglas.

(Obtained from IGI LDS site - parish records)

Marriage - certificate

   Date: 10th Jan 1864.  
  Place: St Leonard's Shoreditch
   Name: George Thorne, 29
 Father: Thomas Thorne, Painter
   Name: Sarah Ann Parker, 21
 Father: James Parker, Labourer
Address: For both 7 New Inn St.
Witness: James Twiddy 
         Eliza Louisa Brooks

NOTE: 1861 census there are some parkers living at 1 New Inn St, so seems likely that the wedding certificate is not a 7 but a 1 for address. Connection not proven.

NOTE: Sarah is down as 21 years of age. But all census returns show her to be 19ish in 1864

Marriage - BMD Index

Marriages - March 1864
Parker Sarah Ann Shoreditch 1c 414 
Thorne George    Shoreditch 1c 414

2nd Marriage - BMD Index

Marriages Dec 1877
Thorne Sarah Ann  Camberwell 1d 1157
Ray William Henry Camberwell 1d 1157 

England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

       Name: Sarah Ann Thorne 
Spouse Name: William Henry Ray 
Record Type: Marriage, 26 Nov 1877
     Parish: Camberwell St Giles, 
Father Name: James Parker 
Father Name: William Ray 
    Address: Both Belham Street.
  Witnesses: Jane parker 
             & Arthur Foster.

Electoral Registers

William Ray - 1891 - Suffolk Grove, Yard & Factory

William Ray - 1894,1895,1897,1898,1899 & 1900, 27 Suffolk Grove, Southwark
Death details

FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

         Name: Sarah Ann Ray
   Birth Year: abt.1845
 Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1902
 Age at Death: 57
 Reg District: Southwark
       County: London
       Volume: 1d
         Page: 14

Burial record

    Where: Nunhead Cemetery 
     Name: Sarah Ann Ray 
           (nee.Thorne, nee.Parker)
     Date: 10 May 1902
Grave ref: 59/26285

Sarah's Children - extra info

George Walter Thorne

       Name: George Walter Thorne 
      Birth: 19 Oct 1864   	
Christening: 14 Nov 1864
             St Matthew, 
             Bethnal Green
     Father: George Thorne 
     Mother: Sarah Ann

BMD Index...

Births Dec 1864
Thorne George Walter  Bethnal Gn 1c 283

Deaths Dec 1865
Thorne George Walter  Camberwell 1d 359

NOTE: In 1866 a new parish of Shoreditch, Holy Trinity was formed from part of St Leonard's and part of neighbouring Bethnal Green.

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Alice Maude Thorne

      Name: Alice Maude Thorne
      Born: 01 Jun 1866
Christened: 26 Aug 1866 
            St Leonard's 
    Father: George Thorne
    Mother: Sarah Ann

BMD Index...

Births Sep 1866
Thorne Alice M  Camberwell 1d 513
Marriages Dec 1899
Thorne Alice Maud  St.Saviour 1d 401
Gorick James       St.Saviour 1d 401 

Deaths Dec 1925
Gorick Alice M  58 Southwark 1d 47

Gorick Children...

Births Jun 1889
Gorick Edith Maud M  Lambeth 1d 335

Births Mar 1892
Gorick Sydney Henry St.Saviour 1d 58

Births Dec 1908 
Gorick Constance Ena Southwark 1d 73
NOTE: Looks as if Alice is James's second wife and that he has children from previous marriage.

1891 Census...

Address: 50 New Cut, Lambeth, St Mary

  James Gorick Head m 46, Bethnal Green, tobacconist
  Alice Gorick Wife m 24, Camberwell
William Gorick Son  s 16, Bethnal Green
  Edith Gorick Dau  s 2 , Lambeth
1901 Census...

GORICK, Edith Boarder 11  
Born: 51 Lambeth Walk London

GORICK, Sidney Boarder 9 
Born: Queen Victoria Buildings London

Address: Docking Road, Barmer, Norfolk

NOTE: They are living with the Edge family. Alice Gorick's mother's (Sarah Ann Parker) family came from the same area in Norfolk. 

1901 Census...

Gorick, James  57  Southwark, Cigar Maker
Gorick, Alice  34  Southwark, d/o

Address: 75 Pocock Rd, Southwark London.

1911 Census...

    James Gorick  Head  55  Bethnal Green, Cigar Maker
    Alice Gorick  Wife  43  Camberwell 
    Edith Gorick  Daug  21  Southwark, Velum Sewer  
Constance Gorick  Daug   2  Southwark

Address: 33 Great Suffolk Street Southwark S E. St George the Martyr West
NOTE: Married 22 years. 3 children born. 3 still living. James is unemployed.

Son Sidney 1911, boarder in Norfolk (Barmer Kings Lynn) with the Edge Family...

Sidney Henry Gorick Boarder Single 19 Horseman On Farm  Gt.Suffolk St, London

About James & Alice Gorick's children...

Edith Maud Gorick - Married Harold James Silvester in 1915. They had three children that I know of. Their youngest boy Stanley died during WWI. Edith died in 1958, aged 69. 1926-1939 electoral register show her living at 44 Elliotts Row, Southwark.

      Name: Silvester, Stanley Richard
      Rank: Gunner
Service No: 990175
Date Death: 22/10/1943
       Age: 23
  Regiment: Royal Artillery 
            113 Field Regt. 
 Grave Ref: VII, D, 14.
  Cemetery: Minturno War Cemetery Italy
Additional: Son of Harold James Silvester and Edith Maud Silvester, of Southwark, London.

Sidney Henry Gorick - Remained in Norfolk with the Edge family & married a Kate Hurn in 1920. They had six children, that I know of. Sydney passed away in March 1950 at Kings Lynn, Norfolk.

British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1920

           Name: Sydney Henry Gorick
Est. Birth Year: abt 1892
 Enlistment age: 24
      Residence: Barmer, kings Lynn, 
  Document Year: 1916
 Regimental No.: 6572
  Regiment Name: R Fusiliers Lab Corps
Discharged aged: 27 
    Next of kin: George Edge (father)
 Colour of eyes: Pale blue.

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards 1914-1920

             Name: Sydney H Gorick
Regiment or Corps: Norfolk Regiment
Regimental Number: 8629
            Medal: British

Constance Gorick - The youngest of the siblings, by a big gap, moved to the USA, aged 18, just one year after her mother passed away. She married an American, Elbert Franklin Ryder, in 1928 and had at least four children. Constance and Frank divorced 1977.

Passenger list - SS Berengaria

             Name: Constance Gorick, 
       Occupation: Machinist, 18
Relatives address: Mrs.E.Silvester, 
                   44 Elliotts Row, 
                   Southwark SE11
     Passage paid: Aunt. 2nd class. 
      Destination: New York 
         Departed: Dec 7th 1926 
 Joining relative: Aunt. Mrs. Ward, 
                   72 Mason Ave, 
                   Long Island. NY.
      Description: 5ft 4in, 
                   Brown hair, 
                   Brown eyes, 
                   Scars on neck
           Health: Good
   Read and Write: yes

1930 United States Federal Census...

               Name: Constance Ryder
               Aged: 21
            Address: 58 Albany Ave
       Home in 1930: Amityville, 
                     New York
   Immigration Year: 1926
   Relation to Head: Wife
      Spouse's Name: Frank Ryder
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Others in household: 	

    Frank Ryder 21 Chauffeur, Trucks
    Frank Ryder 1
Constance Ryder 0

1940 United States Federal Census...

             Name: Constance Ryde
             Aged: 31
          Address: 77 Broadway
     Home in 1940: Babylon, 
                   Suffolk, NY
Residence in 1935: Same Place
    Highest Grade: Elementary sch,
                   8th grade
Weeks Worked 1939: 0

Others in household:

Frank Ryde 35 Locomotive repairer,
              steam railroad
Constance Ryde 10
   Harold Ryde 8
    David Ryde 1

United States Social Security Death Index...

           Name: Constance E Ryder
     Birth Date: 30 September 1908
Social Security: 071-28-8293
          State: New York
     Event Date: 8 May 1988
            Age: 80

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Ernest Harman Thorne 

      Name: Ernest Harman Thorne 
      Born: 13 MAY 1868 
Christened: 02 AUG 1868
     Place: St Leonard's 
    Father: George Thorne
    Mother: Sarah Ann

Parish Baptism...

   Name: Ernest Harman Thorne 
   Date: 2 Aug 1868 
 Father: George Thorne,
         Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
 Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch  
Borough: Hackney  
 County: London  
BMD Index...

Births Jun 1868
Thorne Ernest Hannan  Camberwell 1d 605

Deaths Mar 1881
Thorne Ernest Halmon 12yrs Camberwell 1d 478   

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Charles Thomas Thorne

BMD Index...

Births Sep 1870
Thorne Charles Thomas E. Camberwell 1d 595

Marriages Dec 1893, St.Saviour 1d  174
Thorne  Charles Thomas E.     
Poole  Kate Ruby        

Deaths Sep 1911
Thorne Charles T E, 42yrs Camberwell 1d  897

Birth Certificate...

  Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne
  Born: 17th June 1870, 
        at 10 Belham St
 Abode: 10 Belham St, 
        Camberwell, Surrey
Father: George Thorne 
        Railway ticket collector
Mother: Sarah Ann (Formerly Parker)
Parish Baptism...

   Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne 
   Date: 14 Aug 1870 
 Father: George Frank Thorne
         Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
  Abode: Belham Street
 Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell  
Borough: Southwark  
 County: Surrey 
Marriage Certificate...

      Date: 25th Dec 1893
     Place: St Saviour London.
      Name: Charles Thorne, 23
Occupation: Labourer.
    Father: George F Thorne,
            Railway ticket inspector
   Address: 30 Gravel Lane.
      Name: Kate R. Poole, 23
    Father: Edward Poole
   Address: 36 Gravel Lane.
   Witness: Edith Jane Thorne 
            & Rosina Miller.

NOTE: See also separate Records for Charles.

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Edith Jane Thorne

Parish Baptism...

   Name: Edith Jane Thorne 
   Date: 10 Nov 1872 
 Father: George Frank Thorne
         Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
  Abode: Belham Street
 Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell  
Borough: Southwark  
 County: Surrey 

BMD Index...

Births Sep 1872
Thorne, Edith Jane Camberwell 1d 664

Marriages Dec 1894
Thorne, Edith Jane        Camberwell 1d 1323     
Ward, Christopher Reuben  Camberwell 1d 1323

Marriage Certificate...

25 Dec 1894, Saint Giles, Camberwell, Surrey, Southwark  

    Bride: Edith Jane Thorne, 23 
    Groom: Christopher Reuben Ward
           Printer, age 26
  Address: 10 Belham Street
           (for both)
Witnesses: William Ray
           Rosina Matilda ???

Groom's father: Henry Ward, Gunmaker             
Bride's father: George Frank Thorne, deceased, Railway Inspector
1901 Census...

Edith J Ward  Wife  28  Camberwell
Cissie E Ward  Dau   1   Southwark
Chris. R Ward  Head  33  Southwark  Print machine __

77 Pocock Street, Southwark, West Southwark. RG13/367/44/24  schedule 187

NOTE: Pocock St runs between Gt.Suffolk St & Blackfriars Rd. 

Deaths Dec 1910 
Ward Christopher R  43 Southwark 1d 72

1911 Census...

Edith Ward, Wife, Widow, 38yrs, Housekeeper, Private, Camberwell London. 4 Children born and 1 still living. 16 yrs married.

Address: 21 Boyson Road S E, London

RG14  Piece:1830  Reg District:Southwark  Sub District:Newington South. Enumeration District:12  Parish:St Mary Newington

Passenger List - Saxonia

Edith Jane Ward (widow), Cook, b.1872 London England.
 Address relative: Mrs.Gorick, 
                   44 Elliots Row,
Port of Departure: London 
  Port of Arrival: NY, 2nd Dec 1920
 Joining Relative: Son-in-law H.E.M.Jones
          Address: Long Island, Babylon, NY
       Complexion: Fresh
             Hair: Dark
             Eyes: Brown
           Height: 5.7
             Born: London, England
              Age: 48 yrs 3 months
NOTE: Edith left England for New York to join her only living child, her daughter, Cissey and her husband Henry Jones. Cissey had left from London to New York back in October 1920.

New York State Census 1925...

           Name  Age Occupation Yrs in US
  Harry E Jones  32  Chauffeur  04
Cecella E Jones  25  Housework  04 
 Le Roy C Jones  03
  Floyd E Jones  0
     Edith Ward  51  Housework  04

72 Mason Ave, Babylon, Suffolk
Assembly District: 02  Line Number: 40  Page Number: 7

NOTE: 1930 & 1940 Federal Census, Cissey & her family are still in New York, but no Edith. Henry is an Inspector then Superintendent of State Park. Litchfield Ave in 1930. North Road in 1940. 

Edith and Christopher's children:

Baptism: 25 Jan 1898
   Name: Venie Ward
 Father: Christopher Ward (Printer)
 Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 199 High St, Boro.
 Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark

Deaths Sep 1898
Ward  Venie  0  St.Saviour 1d 23

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Births Sep 1899
Ward Cissie Ellalaine St.Saviour 1d 44    

Baptism: 25 Jul 1899
   Name: Cissy Ellaline Ward
 Father: Christopher Ward 
         (Machine minder)
 Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 77 Pocock St.
 Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark

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Births Mar 1904
Ward  Mabel  Camberwell 1d 893

Baptism: 25 Nov 1905
   Name: Mabel Ward
 Father: Christopher Ward (Printer)
 Mother: Edith Ward
Address: 98 Waterloo Sq.
 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark

Deaths Dec 1905
Ward  Mabel  1   Camberwell 1d 527
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