Additional Notes & Sources
George Thorne
Birth Details
Parish record...
County: Somerset
Place: Walcot
Church: St.Swithin's
Baptism Date: 20 May 1832
Forename: George
Father Forename: Thomas
Mother Forename: Hannah
Father Surname: THORNE
Abode: No. James Street
Father Occupation: Painter
File Number: 15810
Marriage - certificate
Name: George Thorne, 29,
Porter
Father: Thomas Thorne,
Painter
Name: Sarah Ann Parker, 21
Father: James Parker,
Labourer
Date: 10th Jan 1864
Place: St Leonard's Shoreditch
Address: For both, 7 New Inn St
Witnesses: James Twiddy
Eliza Louisa Brooks
NOTE: 1861 census there are some parkers living at 1 New Inn St, so seems likely that the wedding certificate is not a 7 but a 1 for address. Connection not proven.
NOTE: George seems to have lied about his age on his wedding certificate. Perhaps because Sarah Ann was only 19 at the time and there was quite an age difference.
Marriage - BMD Index
Marriages March 1864
Thorne George Shoreditch 1c 414
Parker Sarah Ann Shoreditch 1c 414
Death - certificate
Saint Olave Southwark, county of Surrey
Name: George Thorne
Date: Died 25th Feb 1872
Age: 37
Registered: 1st March 1872
Place: Guys Hospital
Occupation: Railway ticket collector
Cause death: Poplitical aneurism, Ligature of Femoral etc. PM certified
Informant: Ez. Clinch, present at the death. Guys Hospital Southwark
NOTE: A popliteal aneurysm is a swelling of the popliteal artery. The popliteal artery extends across the lower third of the thigh and the upper third of the calf. It is situated quite deeply in the leg behind the knee. Surgical treatments aim to exclude the aneurysm from the circulation by tying off (ligating) the artery above and below the aneurysm.
Burial record
Camberwell Old Cemetery
George Frank Thorne
3rd March 1872
Grave Ref: 37/3446
NOTE: A not so detailed map is available. Contact me for details. I tried to find the grave in 2016 but that side of the cemetery is too overgrown. Very tall nettles. No way in to see the graves around that area.
Crimean Roll
Private George Thorne
Campaign or Service: Crimean War
Service Date: 1854-1855
Service Location: Crimea
Regiment: 13th Light Infantry
Regimental Number: 2761
NOTE: Information obtained from a look-up by a rootschat forum member.
Nominal Roll for the Indian Mutiny Medal - 1858
Thorne George 1/13 F Corporal
NOTE: This information was found at www.britishmedals.us/files/imtz.htm.
Worldwide Army Index - 1861
First Name: George
Last Name: Thorne
Number: 2761
Rank: Sergeant
Unit: 1st Btn 13th Foot
(1st Somerset-Prince Albert)
Regiment Stationed: Gondah East Indies
NOTE: National Archive Ref: Wo12/3081.
Depot Casualty Roll
Depot Casualty Rolls for the 1st Battalion of the 13th Foot (Somerset) taken from the WO25 series at the National Archives. Data is sorted into Surname, 1st Name, Number, Rank and Detail of entry.
Thorne George 2761 Sgt To England 17/8/1861
NOTE: This information was found here at www.britishmedals.us/files/depot13b1.htm.
George's Children - extra info
George Walter Thorne
IGI...
Name: George Walter Thorne
Birth: 19 Oct 1864
Christening: 14 Nov 1864
St Matthew,
Bethnal Green
Father: George Thorne
Mother: Sarah Ann
BMD Index...
Births Dec 1864
Thorne George Walter Bethnal Gn 1c 283
Deaths Dec 1865
Thorne George Walter Camberwell 1d 359
NOTE: In 1866 a new parish of Shoreditch, Holy Trinity was formed from part of St Leonard's and part of neighbouring Bethnal Green.
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Alice Maude Thorne
IGI...
Name: Alice Maude Thorne
Born: 01 Jun 1866
Christened: 26 Aug 1866
St Leonard's
Shoreditch
Father: George Thorne
Mother: Sarah Ann
BMD Index...
Births Sep 1866
Thorne Alice M Camberwell 1d 513
Marriages Dec 1899
Thorne Alice Maud St.Saviour 1d 401
Gorick James St.Saviour 1d 401
Deaths Dec 1925
Gorick Alice M 58 Southwark 1d 47
Gorick Children...
Births Jun 1889
Gorick Edith Maud M Lambeth 1d 335
Births Mar 1892
Gorick Sydney Henry St.Saviour 1d 58
Births Dec 1908
Gorick Constance Ena Southwark 1d 73
NOTE: Looks as if Alice is James's second wife and that he has children from previous marriage.
1891 Census...
Address: 50 New Cut, Lambeth, St Mary
James Gorick Head m 46, Bethnal Green, tobacconist
Alice Gorick Wife m 24, Camberwell
William Gorick Son s 16, Bethnal Green
Edith Gorick Dau s 2 , Lambeth
1901 Census...
GORICK, Edith Boarder 11
Born: 51 Lambeth Walk London
GORICK, Sidney Boarder 9
Born: Queen Victoria Buildings London
Address: Docking Road, Barmer, Norfolk
NOTE: They are living with the Edge family. Alice Gorick's mother's (Sarah Ann Parker) family came from the same area in Norfolk.
1901 Census...
Gorick, James 57 Southwark, Cigar Maker
Gorick, Alice 34 Southwark, d/o
Address: 75 Pocock Rd, Southwark London.
1911 Census...
James Gorick Head 55 Bethnal Green, Cigar Maker
Alice Gorick Wife 43 Camberwell
Edith Gorick Daug 21 Southwark, Velum Sewer
Constance Gorick Daug 2 Southwark
Address: 33 Great Suffolk Street Southwark S E. St George the Martyr West
NOTE: Married 22 years. 3 children born. 3 still living. James is unemployed.
Son Sidney 1911, boarder in Norfolk (Barmer Kings Lynn) with the Edge Family...
Sidney Henry Gorick Boarder Single 19 Horseman On Farm Gt.Suffolk St, London
About James & Alice Gorick's children...
Edith Maud Gorick - Married Harold James Silvester in 1915. They had three children that I know of. Their youngest boy Stanley died during WWI. Edith died in 1958, aged 69. 1926-1939 electoral register show her living at 44 Elliotts Row, Southwark.
Name: Silvester, Stanley Richard
Rank: Gunner
Service No: 990175
Date Death: 22/10/1943
Age: 23
Regiment: Royal Artillery
113 Field Regt.
Grave Ref: VII, D, 14.
Cemetery: Minturno War Cemetery Italy
Additional: Son of Harold James Silvester and Edith Maud Silvester, of Southwark, London.
Sidney Henry Gorick - Remained in Norfolk with the Edge family & married a Kate Hurn in 1920. They had six children, that I know of. Sydney passed away in March 1950 at Kings Lynn, Norfolk.
British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1920
Name: Sydney Henry Gorick
Est. Birth Year: abt 1892
Enlistment age: 24
Residence: Barmer, kings Lynn,
Norfolk
Document Year: 1916
Regimental No.: 6572
Regiment Name: R Fusiliers Lab Corps
Discharged aged: 27
Next of kin: George Edge (father)
Colour of eyes: Pale blue.
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards 1914-1920
Name: Sydney H Gorick
Regiment or Corps: Norfolk Regiment
Regimental Number: 8629
Medal: British
Constance Gorick - The youngest of the siblings, by a big gap, moved to the USA, aged 18, just one year after her mother passed away. She married an American, Elbert Franklin Ryder, in 1928 and had at least four children. Constance and Frank divorced 1977.
Passenger list - SS Berengaria
Name: Constance Gorick,
Occupation: Machinist, 18
Relatives address: Mrs.E.Silvester,
(sister),
44 Elliotts Row,
Southwark SE11
Passage paid: Aunt. 2nd class.
no.15168
Destination: New York
Departed: Dec 7th 1926
Southampton
Joining relative: Aunt. Mrs. Ward,
72 Mason Ave,
Babylon,
Long Island. NY.
Description: 5ft 4in,
Brown hair,
Brown eyes,
Scars on neck
Health: Good
Read and Write: yes
1930 United States Federal Census...
Name: Constance Ryder
Aged: 21
Address: 58 Albany Ave
Home in 1930: Amityville,
Suffolk,
New York
Immigration Year: 1926
Relation to Head: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frank Ryder
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Others in household:
Frank Ryder 21 Chauffeur, Trucks
Frank Ryder 1
Constance Ryder 0
1940 United States Federal Census...
Name: Constance Ryde
Aged: 31
Address: 77 Broadway
Home in 1940: Babylon,
Suffolk, NY
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Highest Grade: Elementary sch,
8th grade
Weeks Worked 1939: 0
Others in household:
Frank Ryde 35 Locomotive repairer, steam railroad
Constance Ryde 10
Harold Ryde 8
David Ryde 1
United States Social Security Death Index...
Name: Constance E Ryder
Birth Date: 30 September 1908
Social Security: 071-28-8293
State: New York
Event Date: 8 May 1988
Age: 80
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Ernest Harman Thorne
IGI...
Name: Ernest Harman Thorne
Born: 13 MAY 1868
Christened: 02 AUG 1868
Place: St Leonard's
Shoreditch,
London
Father: George Thorne
Mother: Sarah Ann
Parish Baptism...
Name: Ernest Harman Thorne
Date: 2 Aug 1868
Father: George Thorne,
Railway Ticket Collector
Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
County: London
BMD Index...
Births Jun 1868
Thorne Ernest Hannan Camberwell 1d 605
Deaths Mar 1881
Thorne Ernest Halmon 12yrs Camberwell 1d 478
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Charles Thomas Thorne
BMD Index...
Births Sep 1870
Thorne Charles Thomas E. Camberwell 1d 595
Marriages Dec 1893, St.Saviour 1d 174
Thorne Charles Thomas E.
Poole Kate Ruby
Deaths Sep 1911
Thorne Charles T E, 42yrs Camberwell 1d 897
Birth Certificate...
Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne
Born: 17th June 1870,
at 10 Belham St
Abode: 10 Belham St,
Camberwell, Surrey
Father: George Thorne
Railway ticket collector
Mother: Sarah Ann (Formerly Parker)
Parish Baptism...
Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne
Date: 14 Aug 1870
Father: George Frank Thorne
Railway Ticket Collector
Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne
Abode: Belham Street
Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey
Marriage Certificate...
Date: 25th Dec 1893
Place: St Saviour London.
Name: Charles Thorne, 23
Occupation: Labourer.
Father: George F Thorne,
deceased
Railway ticket inspector
Address: 30 Gravel Lane.
Name: Kate R. Poole, 23
Father: Edward Poole
Moulder
Address: 36 Gravel Lane.
Witness: Edith Jane Thorne
& Rosina Miller.
NOTE: See also separate Records for Charles.
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Edith Jane Thorne
Parish Baptism...
Name: Edith Jane Thorne
Date: 10 Nov 1872
Father: George Frank Thorne
Railway Ticket Collector
Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne
Abode: Belham Street
Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey
BMD Index...
Births Sep 1872
Thorne, Edith Jane Camberwell 1d 664
Marriages Dec 1894
Thorne, Edith Jane Camberwell 1d 1323
Ward, Christopher Reuben Camberwell 1d 1323
Marriage Certificate...
25 Dec 1894, Saint Giles, Camberwell, Surrey, Southwark
Bride: Edith Jane Thorne, 23
Groom: Christopher Reuben Ward
Printer, age 26
Address: 10 Belham Street
(for both)
Witnesses: William Ray
Rosina Matilda ???
Groom's father: Henry Ward, Gunmaker
Bride's father: George Frank Thorne, deceased, Railway Inspector
1901 Census...
Edith J Ward Wife 28 Camberwell
Cissie E Ward Dau 1 Southwark
Chris. R Ward Head 33 Southwark Print machine __
77 Pocock Street, Southwark, West Southwark. RG13/367/44/24 schedule 187
NOTE: Pocock St runs between Gt.Suffolk St & Blackfriars Rd.
Deaths Dec 1910
Ward Christopher R 43 Southwark 1d 72
1911 Census...
Edith Ward, Wife, Widow, 38yrs, Housekeeper, Private, Camberwell London. 4 Children born and 1 still living. 16 yrs married.
Address: 21 Boyson Road S E, London
RG14 Piece:1830 Reg District:Southwark Sub District:Newington South. Enumeration District:12 Parish:St Mary Newington
Passenger List - Saxonia
Edith Jane Ward (widow), Cook, b.1872 London England.
Address relative: Mrs.Gorick,
sister,
44 Elliots Row,
Southwark
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: NY, 2nd Dec 1920
Joining Relative: Son-in-law H.E.M.Jones
Address: Long Island, Babylon, NY
Complexion: Fresh
Hair: Dark
Eyes: Brown
Height: 5.7
Born: London, England
Age: 48 yrs 3 months
NOTE: Edith left England for New York to join her only living child, her daughter, Cissey and her husband Henry Jones. Cissey had left from London to New York back in October 1920.
New York State Census 1925...
Name Age Occupation Yrs in US
Harry E Jones 32 Chauffeur 04
Cecella E Jones 25 Housework 04
Le Roy C Jones 03
Floyd E Jones 0
Edith Ward 51 Housework 04
72 Mason Ave, Babylon, Suffolk
Assembly District: 02 Line Number: 40 Page Number: 7
NOTE: 1930 & 1940 Federal Census, Cissey & her family are still in New York, but no Edith. Henry is an Inspector then Superintendent of State Park. Litchfield Ave in 1930. North Road in 1940.
Edith and Christopher's children:
Baptism: 25 Jan 1898
Name: Venie Ward
Father: Christopher Ward (Printer)
Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 199 High St, Boro.
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Deaths Sep 1898
Ward Venie 0 St.Saviour 1d 23
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Births Sep 1899
Ward Cissie Ellalaine St.Saviour 1d 44
Baptism: 25 Jul 1899
Name: Cissy Ellaline Ward
Father: Christopher Ward
(Machine minder)
Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 77 Pocock St.
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
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Births Mar 1904
Ward Mabel Camberwell 1d 893
Baptism: 25 Nov 1905
Name: Mabel Ward
Father: Christopher Ward (Printer)
Mother: Edith Ward
Address: 98 Waterloo Sq.
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Deaths Dec 1905
Ward Mabel 1 Camberwell 1d 527